Current events/LogEducOOoInternationalCreation11November2010

EducOOo International Creation (November 2010)

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Attendees

Please add your name and IRC nickname

(alphabetic order)

• Eric Bachard aka ericb2 on irc
• Ben Bois aka _wooz
• Olav Dahlum aka olorin_
• Sylvain DENIS aka sylvaintechnic on irc
• Drew Jensen aka yipper on irc
• Jean-Marie LAFON aka gnome06 on irc
• Lillo Sciascia aka lillox or xtow on irc
• Marina Latini aka deneb_alpha on irc
• Thorsten aka thorsten on irc

Agenda

• Item 1: Server organization for educoo.it, educoo.de, educoo.no (maybe other)
  • Who
  • What tools are needed
• Item 2: Other use : wiki.oooLight.org, pootle.educoo.org
• Item 3: Define roles and responsabilities (next)

Log of the meeting

Soon on your screens ...

[21:00] <olorin_> Right, meeting.

[21:00] * ericb2 ready in 2 minutes

[21:00] <olorin_> thorsten will attend as soon as he finish another meeting.

[21:00] <thorsten> yeah, am here - just maybe a bit silent initially :)

[21:01] <olorin_> At least you're present.

[21:01] <ericb2> Ok then, I invite people to add their names in the list : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Current_events/LogEducOOoInternationalCreation11November2010

[21:01] <ericb2> "Attendees"

[21:02] <ericb2> This can be done during the meeting, asynchronously, of course

[21:02] <ericb2> Let's start

[21:02] <olorin_> I like to multitask.

[21:02] <ericb2> Who wants to drive the meeting ?

[21:02] <olorin_> Hmm, well, I could do it.

[21:03] <ericb2> olorin_: great, thanks :)

[21:03] <wooz_> so we have a driver.. we can start :-p

[21:03] <olorin_> Ok, hopefully most of you have had the time to read the log from the last meeting by now.

[21:03] <yipper> yes

[21:03] <sylvaintechnic> yes

[21:03] <gnome06> yes

[21:03] <wooz_> yes

[21:04] * ericb2 yes too

[21:04] <olorin_> As for last time, we were really ready to discuss the composition of the council, which we couldn't do to a very low number of attendees.

[21:05] <olorin_> We're also presenting the last translations and the deployement of more localized web sites.

[21:07] <wooz_> right

[21:07] <olorin_> Have anyone had any thoughts about the candidates for the council? Should we keep it as it is proposed or do we need to change the composition?

[21:08] <ericb2> Any candidates ?

[21:08] <wooz_> i'm candidate.. I don't know if I'm in the list?

[21:08] <ericb2> Current Council (will be confirmed) is : yipper, sylvaintechnic gnome06 olorin_ marina, ericb2 and wooz_

[21:08] <yipper> Well - I for one am still interested and will still offer to volunteer to do so.

[21:08] <ericb2> wooz_: I added you

[21:08] <gnome06> i'm still ok

[21:09] * ericb2 too.

[21:09] <olorin_> Me too.

[21:09] <sylvaintechnic> ok for me too

[21:09] <wooz_> ericb2: thx

[21:09] <olorin_> What we really need is a council composed of people with different skills, so if we have that, I'm for.

[21:09] <Jzarecta> back

[21:10] <Jzarecta> I want to be in the CC, but don't know the process.

[21:10] jza Jzarecta

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[21:11] <ericb2> Jzarecta: we proposed to start with volunteers. So I added your name in the list

[21:11] jza Jzarecta

[21:11] <ericb2> Current Council (will be confirmed) is : yipper, sylvaintechnic gnome06 olorin_ marina, ericb2 , Jzarecta and wooz_

[21:11] <deneb_alpha> hi all!

[21:12] <ericb2> olorin_: I see a real various list of skills

[21:12] <olorin_> Hi Marina.

[21:12] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: hello Marina :)

[21:12] <yipper> deneb_alpha: Hello

[21:12] <Jzarecta> deneb_alpha: hi Marina, I'm Alexandro

[21:13] <xtow> ciao all

[21:13] <gnome06> member:deneb_alpha: Hello

[21:13] <olorin_> deneb_alpha: Do you still feel like being a part of the council?

[21:13] <wooz_> hi marina

[21:13] <deneb_alpha> sure olorin_!

[21:13] <Jzarecta> is there any agenda points posted on the wiki or something?

[21:13] <sylvaintechnic> hello marina

[21:13] <olorin_> Jzarecta: Not really, this is a follow up from the last meeting.

[21:13] <Jzarecta> olorin_: ok

[21:14] <ericb2> olorin_: I wrote one : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Current_events/LogEducOOoInternationalCreation11November2010

[21:14] <ericb2> xtow: hello :)

[21:14] <yipper> ericb2: thanks

[21:14] <olorin_> ericb2: Thanks.

[21:15] <olorin_> Anyway, as we have other things to discuss. Do all of you feel confident about the current composistion?

[21:16] <ericb2> +1 from me

[21:16] <yipper> +1

[21:16] <sylvaintechnic> +1

[21:16] <wooz_> +1

[21:16] <gnome06> +1

[21:16] <olorin_> Ok.

[21:16] <deneb_alpha> +1

[21:17] <olorin_> ericb2: Ok, I'll use your agenda.

[21:17] <olorin_> Item 1: Server organization for educoo.it, educoo.de, educoo.no (maybe other)

[21:17] <olorin_> * Who * What tools are needed

[21:18] <thorsten> sorry, /me late - yeah, +1

[21:18] <olorin_> Hehe

[21:18] <olorin_> thorsten: educoo.de, any news?

[21:18] <xtow> what about the new organization in openoffice with oracle?

[21:19] <wooz_> maybe.. I can present the educooo server.. few data

[21:19] <ericb2> wooz_: yes, please :)

[21:19] <olorin_> xtow: We can take that later.

[21:19] <sylvaintechnic> yes wooz_

[21:19] <ericb2> xtow: can we discuss the point at the end ?

[21:19] <Jzarecta> olorin_: we have educoo.es currently point to our server

[21:20] <thorsten> olorin_: heh - it's a CNAME to educoo.org - we'd need a bit of html content now, I presume ;)

[21:20] <wooz_> the educooo server is a dedicated server..

[21:20] <thorsten> wooz_: a vhost for educoo.de would be cool on that box

[21:20] <wooz_> thorsten: ok

[21:20] <olorin_> Jzarecta: Ok, I'm already running my own for now, but if we can find a common plaform to make life easier for all of us.

[21:21] <wooz_> ISPConfig is installed on it, with it, educoo can provide web space for locale

[21:21] <thorsten> for a bit of static webpages, one box & an apache vhost setup is much easier I guess

[21:22] <wooz_> all options are possible

[21:22] <olorin_> Hold on, I have to pay a guy.

[21:23] * thorsten wonders what the heck olorin_ is at ;)

[21:23] <wooz_> a pootle server is already in place: http://pootle.educoo.org

[21:23] <wooz_> a new wiki for ooolight too

[21:23] <wooz_> http://wiki.ooolight.org

[21:23] <Jzarecta> wooz_: u think having a stack of apps for each product is a good idea

[21:23] <ericb2> wooz_: thanks a lot for all your work

[21:24] <Jzarecta> wooz_: i.e. pootle can work multiple projects within a language category, so having a pootle.ooo4kids.org and a pootle.ooolight.org seems a bit of redundancy

[21:24] <wooz_> Jzarecta: well.. why not.. we just need a manager for each locale

[21:24] <Jzarecta> wooz_: duplicate credentials for new systems and such

[21:24] jza Jzarecta

[21:24] <Jzarecta> for users

[21:24] <wooz_> Jzarecta: some services are specific and generic.. pootle is one of them

[21:24] <olorin_> thorsten: Even I have to eat.

[21:25] <ericb2> Jzarecta: there is only http://pootle.educoo.org

[21:25] <wooz_> the wikis for O4K & OL too

[21:25] <thorsten> olorin_: :)

[21:25] <Jzarecta> ericb2: ok, but soon there will be 2 wikis for each product, correct?

[21:25] <olorin_> Yes.

[21:25] <Jzarecta> ericb2: sorry one wiki per product

[21:25] <ericb2> Jzarecta: one for OOo4Kids, and one for OOoLight

[21:25] <Jzarecta> ok

[21:25] <ericb2> Jzarecta: and one tree pre product, because I'll fork it soon

[21:25] <ericb2> s/pre/per/

[21:26] <Jzarecta> ericb2: maybe is good to consider a single sign on solution

[21:26] <Jzarecta> ericb2: like get openID so we are sign up to all systems and not just per app per product

[21:26] <ericb2> Jzarecta: if possible, why not

[21:27] <yipper> mediawiki and joomla both support

[21:28] <ericb2> wooz_: I don't want to make it more complex

[21:28] <wooz_> ericb2: it's a good idea .. a "generic" wiki

[21:28] <wooz_> what do you think other people?

[21:28] <wooz_> ericb2: me too :-p

[21:28] <ericb2> wooz_: I don't know how to concatenate both, though

[21:28] <olorin_> Ok by me.

[21:28] <Jzarecta> ericb2: openid is to make it less complex... for users

[21:28] <yipper> sorry - is the question: Have one wiki for both ooo4kids and ooolight?

[21:28] <Jzarecta> or volunteer

[21:28] <sylvaintechnic> a generic, it's a good idea

[21:29] <thorsten> me - always take the simplest solution

[21:29] <thorsten> if someone can setup openid - do it. if not - it's not critically important

[21:29] jza Jzarecta

[21:29] <Jzarecta> wooz_: mediawiki also supports openid in an extension

[21:29] <wooz_> yipper: no no.. 1 wiki for o4K / 1 wiki for olight / 1 wiki for Educooo

[21:29] <wooz_> ?

[21:29] <olorin_> Let's try to consolidate as much as we can.

[21:29] <ericb2> Jzarecta: absolutely. I wanted to talk abut two wikis, could be unified in one generic only

[21:29] <wooz_> Jzarecta: ok.. I can see how it works.. and get some help

[21:30] <yipper> ok - well, +1 from me on the idea of supporting OpenID, if possible

[21:30] <olorin_> ericb2: However, on vhosts.

[21:30] <gnome06> +1 for OpenID if it's easy and quick to put in place

[21:30] * ericb2 never used OpenId, but if it helps, then +1

[21:31] <yipper> ericb2: it works

[21:31] <sylvaintechnic> +1 openid

[21:31] <deneb_alpha> OpenID +1 if possible

[21:31] <wooz_> ok.. well.. I can't say +1.. because I've no idea for the setting up.. at the moment

[21:31] <wooz_> ok.. well.. I can't say +1.. because I've no idea for the setting up.. at the moment

[21:31] <yipper> LOl - yes it is so much easier to setup, when volunteering someone else to do it..

[21:32] <gnome06> for wiki, as the O4k and OLight will be two separate project I prefer a wiki by "product". A wiki for EducOO.org, why not but for what ?

[21:32] * thorsten has never really missed openid in real life - it's just nice to have, not more ...

[21:32] <yipper> thorsten: in the end of the day, yes I agree with you

[21:32] <levarcol> openId is best way for granted simuktaniesly access +1

[21:33] <olorin_> Should also make life easier for contributors.

[21:33] <wooz_> ok.. i'll have a look to the wiki extension.. to start with openID

[21:35] <olorin_> Also, a form for CAPTCHA solution might be nice.

[21:36] <wooz_> olorin_: where?

[21:36] <yipper> yes - and just to be sure, for myself, OpenID is just a option, the site must support a regular account creation process, with CAPTCHA I would agree

[21:36] <yipper> again, easy to offer other peoples labor I realize

[21:38] <ericb2> wooz_: can you tell us the place we have (hard disk space), and some other figures please ?

[21:39] <wooz_> well.. all specifs are here> http://www.ovh.com/fr/produits/superplan_mini.xml

[21:39] <ericb2> gnome06: one generic wiki, because common actions are often needed. e.g.

[21:39] <wooz_> including the price ;-)

[21:40] <ericb2> wooz_: thanks :)

[21:40] <wooz_> hdd = 750Gb in total

[21:40] <ericb2> Other question : how many space is needed for every locale, and what tools ?

[21:40] <wooz_> so a bit less with installed system

[21:41] <thorsten> ericb2 wooz_ : any backup solution? especially wiki is valuable content

[21:41] <wooz_> thorsten: not at the moment..

[21:41] <wooz_> thorsten: nicolas will provide it for us

[21:41] <wooz_> soon I hope

[21:41] <thorsten> 'k

[21:41] <olorin_> Manual db dumps?

[21:41] <thorsten> otherwise weekly db snapshots to your local machine could do

[21:42] <wooz_> I don't know currently..

[21:42] <ericb2> wooz_: isn't there another way, than wait -yet another time- for nicolas for the backup ? I fear he's not reliable

[21:43] <ericb2> wooz_: we really need to be on the safe side with that. backup is really important

[21:43] <yipper> What we did at the user services forums for the first couple of years was to script a server 2 server transfer of the backup files to a server I maintain at NetworkSolutions - there is plenty of space

[21:43] <yipper> once a week would be possible

[21:43] <yipper> wooz could have a login to the server there

[21:44] <thorsten> sounds like a good initial solution to me

[21:44] <wooz_> ericb2: well.. I can manage a basic backup wuickly.. but Nicolas offered to us a 'pro' solution (with a distant server -more secure)

[21:44] <Jzarecta> we have 2 VPS in spain and argentina with somewhat good storage space

[21:44] <ericb2> wooz_: I believe you, but nicolas is never reachable

[21:45] <wooz_> ok..

[21:45] <thorsten> ericb2 wooz_ : go for the yipper / Jzarecta offer & rsync to that boxes once a week. that'll at least avoid disasters

[21:45] <Jzarecta> we could do some type of mirror

[21:45] <yipper> ok ? - Wooz, should I get together with you direct?

[21:46] <wooz_> yipper: it's possible.. not right now..

[21:46] <wooz_> but tomorrow, I can give you an access

[21:46] <olorin_> thorsten: Yep, remote backups is key.

[21:46] <yipper> alright - well, consider a standing offer then and you can just nudge me when you are ready to look at it in detail

[21:47] <wooz_> yipper: ok.. give me your email in pv

[21:47] <ericb2> yipper: thank you very much

[21:47] <olorin_> Speaking of backups, do we know which databases it is?

[21:47] <wooz_> mysql

[21:47] <olorin_> Ok, no problem backing those up.

[21:48] <wooz_> no.. just no time

[21:49] <olorin_> mysqldump -p joomla > "joomla_Wednesday 27 Oct 2010 bk"

[21:49] <wooz_> olorin_: heyhey

[21:49] <olorin_> Anyway, requires direct access.

[21:50] <olorin_> ericb2: What should we do about Nicolas?

[21:50] <ericb2> olorin_: wait until he will show up ?

[21:51] <olorin_> ericb2: We have already tried that numerous times.

[21:51] <ericb2> olorin_: I know he's not even in France at the moment, so we can wait a bit

[21:51] <ericb2> olorin_: I know ..

[21:52] <wooz_> we'll prepare backup with yipper ..

[21:52] <olorin_> I think we need some redundacy here...

[21:52] <wooz_> this point will be ok very very soon.. ok for all?

[21:52] <ericb2> ok for me +1

[21:52] <olorin_> Me as well.

[21:52] <sylvaintechnic> ok

[21:53] <gnome06> ok for me. We have decisions for wiki + openID + backup mySQL

[21:53] <deneb_alpha> ok

[21:53] <yipper> ok for me, I'll look for email from wooz tomorrow then

[21:53] <olorin_> Did we decide under which domain the wiki should be presented?

[21:54] <wooz_> yipper: yep

[21:54] <gnome06> wiki.ooo4kids.org / wiki.ooolight.org / wiki.educoo.org, no ?

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[21:54] <Jzarecta> gnome06: afaik all of the above

[21:54] <olorin_> gnome06: As long as they point to the same.

[21:55] * ericb2 wondering : the visibility of wiki.ooo4Kids is enormous, and change for wiki.educoo.org will kill it

[21:55] <wooz_> we don't want change the wiki.o4k

[21:55] <ericb2> maybe provide both wiki.ooo4kids and wiki.ooolight.org is the right choice

[21:55] <olorin_> ericb2: Then we'll just do redirects.

[21:55] <ericb2> olorin_: ok

[21:56] <olorin_> Shouldn't be too hard pointing the respective domains to the same IP address and configuring the server to host it.

[21:56] <wooz_> ericb2: do you think possible to replace educoo.org by a wiki?

[21:56] <ericb2> wooz_: good question

[21:57] <ericb2> wooz_: the need is : provide both static and dynamic information

[21:57] <olorin_> wooz_: Personally, no.

[21:57] <wooz_> olorin_: why?

[21:58] <olorin_> The wiki should be a editable knowledge database, but the site needs to be a bit more formal, so a CMS.

[21:59] <yipper> olorin_: I would say that sounds about right.

[21:59] <sylvaintechnic> i agree with olorin_

[21:59] <wooz_> olorin_: I understand.. but it's possible to protect pages in a wiki.. like "static" page

[22:01] <olorin_> wooz_: Yes, but I also think you see my point. :-)

[22:01] <yipper> wooz_: Could I ask, the advantage to moving from the current educoo.org Joomla to a wiki is just the consolidation of the services to one server, yes? or is there more?

[22:01] <wooz_> olorin_: yep

[22:02] <wooz_> yipper: yes

[22:02] <olorin_> And while we're at it, let's change the somwhat childish theme.

[22:02] * ericb2 suggests to add the item : define a central EducOOo point : look, design, who will maintain, whatever ... on the next agenda, and continue with : how much space allocate for every locale we'll host, students needs .. and other items on the current agenda ?

[22:03] <yipper> wooz_: thanks

[22:03] <deneb_alpha> olorin_: how can we automatically copy the translations into the two wikis? it's possible to use pootle, for automatize the wiki's translations?

[22:03] <Jzarecta> olorin_: I love the childish theme, whats wrong wit it?

[22:03] <olorin_> deneb_alpha: Yes, that should be feasible.

[22:05] <wooz_> olorin_: do you have an idea .. how to do that?

[22:05] <olorin_> Jzarecta: We're dealing with people not always looking past the site, but they do take decisions. So a more professional and clean feel, whithout loosing identity.

[22:06] <olorin_> wooz_: First of all we need to land on a solution, then find the experience to make it so.

[22:07] <ericb2> olorin_: I'd suggest to first create several educoo.* and then (later) aggregate

[22:07] <olorin_> Like a theme incorporating the current feel, but with a professional touch.

[22:08] <olorin_> ericb2: Yep, but we will still need to do this.

[22:08] <ericb2> olorin_: next meeting ?

[22:08] <olorin_> ericb2: Sure.

[22:09] <ericb2> olorin_: I'll add the point

[22:09] <ericb2> now, can we agree about the need for every locale ?

[22:09] <ericb2> and how we'll proceed to provide you the access

[22:09] <ericb2> wooz_: you know everything, and we'll hear you :)

[22:09] <olorin_> Pootle right?

[22:10] <ericb2> olorin_: I had in mind: educoo.it, educoo.de ..

[22:10] <olorin_> ericb2: Oh, the sites...

[22:10] <sylvaintechnic> For me, no need for now, I'm on a server for educoo.be. unless you propose to accommodate me. ;)

[22:11] <olorin_> Yes, I've already asked for hosting space, so mine could be moved to a consolidated server.

[22:12] <wooz_> a CMS in multilanguages shoould be enough for all ?

[22:12] <Jzarecta> who is from italy?

[22:12] jza Jzarecta

[22:12] <olorin_> wooz_: I would say so.

[22:12] <xtow> here i am

[22:12] <olorin_> Jzarecta: deneb_alpha.

[22:12] <deneb_alpha> I'm from Italy

[22:12] <ericb2> Jzarecta: xtow too

[22:12] <Jzarecta> ah good to know

[22:13] <olorin_> Who's from Norway?

[22:13] <yipper> well, i don't mind pointing the domain to a common server - I'm with sylvaintechnic in that I already setup some space because I thought that was what was needed, but if that has changed no problem

[22:13] <deneb_alpha> Jzarecta: form Italy--> deneb_alpha, tuxwet, xtow

[22:14] <sylvaintechnic> wooz_: what cms do you propose? Personally I prefer WP who is more "sexy" ;)

[22:14] <yipper> Do you still want space for downloads on a separate server?

[22:15] <ericb2> yipper: it is expected to host some experimental builds too

[22:15] <wooz_> yipper: for the official downloads of O4K / OL... we stay in the Nicolas server.. it's a very good server

[22:15] <olorin_> wooz_: If he can get his act together.

[22:16] <yipper> ok - lol - now those two statement from ericb2 and wooz_ look like they might be coming at this from two different angles?

[22:16] <wooz_> olorin_: the system is operational for official download.. not perfect but not so bad

[22:16] <olorin_> wooz_: Drupal 6.19 IIRC.

[22:16] <ericb2> yipper: by experimental builds, I meant : testig version including some new feature. Not the stable version

[22:17] <wooz_> I don't care about the CMS in fact :-p

[22:17] <olorin_> ericb2: If we have the space and build system, do nightly builds if you want to.

[22:17] <yipper> ericb2: you mean that you want to host those files for download from my server, yes...sorry for being dense today...but if so, that is fine with me

[22:17] <sylvaintechnic> olorin_: drupal is heavy

[22:17] <yipper> and yes I would really be interested in getting into setting up some build service

[22:18] <olorin_> sylvaintechnic: Yes, but we're not setting up a blog either are we? ;-)

[22:18] <ericb2> yipper: sorry, that's me who was not fast. Your server, for en-US helps us

[22:19] <sylvaintechnic> olorin_: with WP, it makes the blog and static pages ;)

[22:19] <ericb2> yipper: about biuld service : we received a proposal some times ago, and I have to investigate

[22:19] <ericb2> yipper: but currently, we don't have enough of resources

[22:20] <olorin_> sylvaintechnic: Do you feel like setting up a mockup site?

[22:21] <sylvaintechnic> olorin_: I'm not a graphic unfortunately, but I can try

[22:22] <wooz_> well.. I'm designer.. but.. time

[22:22] <olorin_> sylvaintechnic: I'm a crap graphical artist.

[22:22] <olorin_> wooz_: Well, hello there...

[22:22] <gnome06> i think we need to choose a CMS, put it in place for all locale.

[22:23] <gnome06> Let's the people start to put datas into the CMS

[22:23] <gnome06> the design can be done after

[22:23] <deneb_alpha> gnome06 +1

[22:23] <wooz_> +1 for after.. to let me manage the server services.. and give some rights for other people

[22:23] <sylvaintechnic> gnome06: +1

[22:23] <wooz_> after.. I'll help for the design

[22:24] <gnome06> the most important are datas after all

[22:24] <olorin_> +1 We need a common technical solution, and fast.

[22:24] <gnome06> by datas i mean "the informations"

[22:25] <olorin_> gnome06: Yes, but most people do judge a book by its cover.

[22:25] <gnome06> it's doesn't matter for now if it's not presented with the right graphics. We just need something clean with a logo to start

[22:26] <gnome06> i can take for exemple the wiki.ooo4kids.org : with start with the "standart" mediawiki template

[22:26] <gnome06> design came after step by step

[22:26] <olorin_> wooz_: That you can probably squeeze in.

[22:27] <wooz_> yes

[22:27] <olorin_> gnome06: Still preservering the charcoal and the bird?

[22:27] <wooz_> olorin_: we'll manage design later.. ok for all

[22:27] * ericb2 would like to progress with : educoo.it, educoo.de .. and how much of harddisk space we'll provide for every locale (important information), who will acceed and manage everything

[22:27] <wooz_> the point is to choose a CMS

[22:27] <wooz_> after.. it's 'esay' to swat the skin/theme

[22:28] <olorin_> That's why I asked sylvaintechnic for a mockup of WP.

[22:28] <wooz_> ericb2: if we have only 1 CMS.. the space is not so important

[22:28] <gnome06> harddisk space : 5 Go should be enough for a locale

[22:28] <ericb2> wooz_: what are the possibilities ?

[22:29] <ericb2> gnome06: that's a lot

[22:29] <olorin_> ericb2: We can always add larger quotas. Question is, for what is the space?

[22:29] <ericb2> gnome06: with 2 or 3 GB, you can dance

[22:29] <gnome06> we have to keep disk space for other usages

[22:29] <gnome06> 750Go is not so big

[22:29] <wooz_> wait.. resume right now...

[22:30] <wooz_> 1 CMS for with locales manage by 1 'locale' manager

[22:30] <wooz_> so.. the space is not a problem at all

[22:30] <olorin_> gnome06: Filling it up is fast indeed.

[22:30] <wooz_> what do you think?

[22:30] <sylvaintechnic> it's ok for me

[22:30] <gnome06> wooz_ : seem a good option for me

[22:31] <olorin_> Well, if we agree on consolidating, I dunno what the space for each team is for.

[22:31] <ericb2> wooz_: sure, I agree. Now, what are the possibilites for the CMS ?

[22:31] <gnome06> CMS : WordPress, SPIP, Joomla, 


[22:31] <wooz_> joomla, drupal, wordpress...

[22:32] <ericb2> Can we select 3 ?

[22:32] <olorin_> ericb2: The CMS is happy with some space and a database, it's the hosted files that eat space.

[22:32] <ericb2> and then choose between them ?

[22:32] <gnome06> if we can agree on one it's better i think

[22:33] <olorin_> The 3 above have large user bases, so they should be safe.

[22:33] <wooz_> 1 choice only, sorry

[22:33] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: what could be your choice ?

[22:33] <ericb2> thorsten: and you ?

[22:33] <ericb2> olorin_: and you ?

[22:33] <wooz_> we have to find a consensus

[22:34] <ericb2> wooz_: I know, but just in case the majority has the same idea, let's decide today

[22:34] <ericb2> wooz_: and you, what is your prefered choice ?

[22:34] <olorin_> I know both Joomla and Drupal, but not WordPress. I think they pretty much do the same.

[22:34] <yipper> Question - who is installing and maintaining the CMS and then which would they choose?

[22:34] <gnome06> for me : wordpress or joomla

[22:35] <deneb_alpha> I prefer WP or joomla too

[22:35] <olorin_> Joomla over Drupal, as the latter have poor translations in Norwegian.

[22:35] <gnome06> but what about deneb_alpha, thorsten, olorin_ ?

[22:35] <sylvaintechnic> Joomla is good, Wordpress is more "sexy" (I prefer WP)

[22:36] <gnome06> so Joomla or Wordpress ?

[22:36] <deneb_alpha> gnome06, I prefer WordPress but also joomla is good

[22:36] <yipper> gnome06: Looks that way

[22:36] <olorin_> For me, it doesn't really matter.

[22:36] <sylvaintechnic> olorin_: WP is easy ;)

[22:36] <wooz_> yipper: I think I'll install the CMS.. but I don't care

[22:37] <yipper> wooz_: Well, that helps and not at the same time, doesn't it :-/

[22:37] <olorin_> Ok, can't we just try WP and see if it works for this project?

[22:38] <wooz_> ok +1 for wordpress ( yipper : help enough ;-))

[22:38] <yipper> wooz_: yup +1 for WP also then

[22:38] <gnome06> So let's start with WP and we can make a final validation in 1 or 2 months

[22:38] <wooz_> yipper: ;-)

[22:38] <ericb2> gnome06: good idea

[22:38] <deneb_alpha> +1 for wp

[22:38] <ericb2> gnome06: let's validate in say, one month

[22:38] <sylvaintechnic> good idea gnome06

[22:38] <olorin_> gnome06: Yep, great idea.

[22:39] <olorin_> So, WordPress it is.

[22:40] <wooz_> so.. WP with 1 month confirmation

[22:40] <yipper> sounds good

[22:40] <olorin_> And a server with the requirements is available?

[22:40] <ericb2> +1 for the confirmation delay

[22:40] <wooz_> and maybe a ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccchecking point during the next meeting

[22:40] <wooz_> sorry for the lag :-p

[22:41] <olorin_> That's was a rather long check.

[22:41] <wooz_> yep

[22:41] <olorin_> That was*

[22:42] <wooz_> maybe we can consider the end of this meeting soon?

[22:42] <ericb2> Question: who will manage educoo.it  ? deneb_alpha  ?

[22:42] <wooz_> the day's starting to be long for me :-p

[22:42] <ericb2> wooz_: same for me

[22:42] <deneb_alpha> ericb2, ok for me

[22:42] <wooz_> and we need a manger for the pootle server

[22:42] <wooz_> manager

[22:43] <ericb2> thorsten: for educoo.de ?

[22:43] <olorin_> Which version of Pootle?

[22:43] <ericb2> olorin_: educoo.no , ok ?

[22:44] <Jzarecta> is the pootle up already?

[22:44] <wooz_> olorin_: check it.. pootle.educoo.org

[22:44] <sylvaintechnic> wooz_: I do not know Pottle but I'll learn

[22:44] <olorin_> ericb2: I handle everything around there, so yes.

[22:44] * ericb2 will have to understand how to initiate the Pootle thing

[22:44] <ericb2> wooz_: let's start with olorin_ for educoo.no, deneb_alpha with educoo.it

[22:45] <wooz_> ok

[22:45] <wooz_> deneb_alpha: do you know pootle, don't you?

[22:45] <olorin_> Yay! Pretty old version of Pootle.

[22:45] <wooz_> olorin_: debian default version

[22:45] <ericb2> olorin_: is it a problem ?

[22:45] <wooz_> but maybe enough?!

[22:46] <olorin_> wooz_: IIRC, this version lacks the SQL backend?

[22:46] <wooz_> I prefere to keep the debian version if it's not a problem

[22:47] <Jzarecta> wooz_: we have an issue with pootle

[22:47] <thorsten> ericb2: sure, can handle educoo.de - am slightly over-committed currently, but will cope ;)

[22:47] <Jzarecta> is not good to keep an old version of pootle so please install the latest

[22:47] <wooz_> oh!

[22:47] <Jzarecta> wooz_: pootle doesn't have history or very good user management. I know it's what works but consider having a CWS of the raw data

[22:47] <Jzarecta> so we can audit it

[22:48] <wooz_> I hope that would be possible to keep the current skin :-/

[22:48] <Jzarecta> let pootle be the interface but the final PO to be audited.

[22:48] <olorin_> Jzarecta: Did you try version 2.0.1?

[22:48] <Jzarecta> olorin_: is better

[22:48] <Jzarecta> but still lack many things

[22:48] <wooz_> I'll see how to upgrade the pootle version

[22:49] <wooz_> maybe.. we'll can talk about that during the next meeting?

[22:49] <Jzarecta> good, go ahead

[22:49] <gnome06> Yes investigate about it, and we will discuss about action to take next meeting

[22:49] <Jzarecta> levarcol: any opinion?

[22:50] <olorin_> Jzarecta: I like to work with tools like Lokalize offline, but I'm not the only one around so...

[22:50] <Jzarecta> olorin_: issue is when you manage a team

[22:50] <Jzarecta> olorin_: how can we know what others do and who review our changes.

[22:51] <olorin_> Jzarecta: Merging templates is no problem, if that's what you mean.

[22:51] <olorin_> Jzarecta: Ah! We keep it all under version control.

[22:51] <levarcol> ... just my first meeting... to much to heard first

[22:51] <gnome06> please could you discuss/investigate about it on the i18n list and we will take actions if necessary during the next meeting.

[22:52] <ericb2> Can we reduce the meeting ? It's late, and I'd like to stop for today

[22:52] <wooz_> and consider that we have already a pootle server ready to use :-p

[22:52] <gnome06> tks

[22:52] <Jzarecta> I want to intervine with the anouncement we have

[22:52] <olorin_> Jzarecta: Almost forgot, go ahead.

[22:52] <Jzarecta> we were working on oooes to find a balance within the different projects. Yesterday we launched an open letter to the projects

[22:52] <Jzarecta> here is our letter to educoo

[22:52] <olorin_> ericb2: I think we got trough most of it.

[22:53] <ericb2> Jzarecta: can we first decide the next meeting date ?

[22:54] <Jzarecta> http://oooes.org/carta-educoo.html

[22:54] <Jzarecta> basically our framework to work with the different organizations including educoo

[22:54] <olorin_> ericb2: We should probably have another meeting at the end of the month.

[22:55] <yipper> Jzarecta: Let's do as ericb2 asks first and we will come back to this..OK

[22:55] <gnome06> yes we can't discuss and discuss without end. We can decide of a date for the next meeting. People who want to add something can propose it as subject for next meeting or use the i18n mailing liste.

[22:55] <wooz_> +1 for stopping very soon!

[22:55] <ericb2> wooz_:  :)

[22:56] <olorin_> Heje

[22:56] <olorin_> Hehe*

[22:56] <yipper> ericb2: End of the month is good with me for the next meeting another Thursday is good with me.

[22:56] <Jzarecta> I agree we were waiting to get the key issues in educoo solved

[22:56] <ericb2> Can we agree : next meeting Thursday 18 november, 21h00 CET (Paris Hamburg)  ?

[22:56] <yipper> ericb2: +1

[22:56] <wooz_> +1

[22:56] <sylvaintechnic> +1

[22:56] <levarcol> +1

[22:56] <olorin_> I think that's a bit too soon.

[22:56] <wooz_> 20h30 maybe

[22:56] <wooz_> ?

[22:56] <deneb_alpha> not for me...

[22:56] <gnome06> +1

[22:57] <gnome06> 20H30 : better for me

[22:57] <ericb2> gnome06: too early for me

[22:57] <ericb2> gnome06: got a lot to do, with children

[22:57] <gnome06> ericb2: so 21H00

[22:57] <wooz_> well.. nice for me with 2 children ;-)

[22:57] <olorin_> I have a cat. That counts as several kids.

[22:58] <wooz_> olorin_: why not

[22:58] <wooz_> ^^