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EducOOo International Creation (December 2010)

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Attendees

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(alphabetic order)

• Eric Bachard aka ericb2 on irc
• Ben Bois aka _wooz
• (please confirm) Olav Dahlum aka olorin_
• Sylvain DENIS aka sylvaintechnic on irc
• Jean-Marie LAFON aka gnome06 on irc
• (100% confirmed) Marina Latini aka deneb_alpha on irc
• (maybe) imacat aka imacat on irc
• (please add your name )

Agenda

Agenda for next meeting :

• International : new point (educoo.us, educoo.de, other locales, and everything around i10n)
• Present : http://wiki.educoo.org (ideas, objectives ...)
• Debian port
• a point with schools
• goodies (
• Possibility to introduce the advertisements "AdBard Network" on the websites (infos here: http://adbard.net/faq)

Log

[21:00] <ericb2> Can we start ?

[21:00] <Coolgeek> huh ?

[21:00] <gnome06> yes we can :)

[21:00] <ericb2> Agenda for next meeting :

[21:00] <ericb2> * International : new point (educoo.us, educoo.de, other locales, and everything around i10n)

[21:00] <ericb2> * Present : http://wiki.educoo.org (ideas, objectives ...)

[21:00] <ericb2> * Debian port

[21:00] <ericb2> * a point with schools

[21:00] <ericb2> * goodies (

[21:00] <ericb2> * Possibility to introduce the advertisements "AdBard Network" on the websites (infos here: http://adbard.net/faq)

[21:00] <ericb2> next == today :-)

[21:01] <wooz_> hi all

[21:01] <sylvaintechnic> hi all

[21:01] <imacat> hi all

[21:01] <ericb2> hi all :)

[21:02] <deneb_alpha> hi all ;)

[21:02] <Coolgeek> hi all

[21:02] * benjaminv has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[21:03] <ericb2> Item 1: International : new point (educoo.us, educoo.de, other locales, and everything around i10n)

[21:03] <ericb2> educoo.us : no news from Drew, after two mails, sent one week ago.

[21:04] <ericb2> educoo.de : same thing, no news, nothing happens on the site

[21:04] <ericb2> a good news : imacat, despite the advanced hour, was so kind to join :)

[21:04] <ericb2> imacat: be welcome :)

[21:05] <imacat> ericb2: Thank you for inviting me :)

[21:05] <ericb2> imacat: you're welcome :)

[21:05] <imacat> I have registered educoo.tw, and currently it points to my home.

[21:05] <ericb2> imacat: that's great, thanks a lot

[21:05] <imacat> but the content is to be filled-in yet ^^;

[21:05] <wooz_> imacat: great news!

[21:05] <gnome06> imacat welcome and thanks

[21:05] <ericb2> imacat if you need some image, design , feel free to ask wooz_

[21:06] <wooz_> imacat: yes!

[21:06] <imacat> I shall ^_*' hopefully I can have a simple 1 or 2 pages points to the download location with Chinese first in tomorrow.

[21:07] <wooz_> imacat: cool.. will you install wordpress on it ?

[21:07] <imacat> wooz_: maybe, not decided yet. ^^;

[21:07] <ericb2> imacat: that's a great thing. In the same time you can add that we are happy to share the knowledge, and can train students to discover OOo source code and even practice

[21:07] <wooz_> ok

[21:08] <imacat> train students to discover OOo source code?

[21:08] <ericb2> imacat: + we provide a Dokeos, means a Moodle like for online courses

[21:08] <imacat> ericb2: Oh~ that would be great!

[21:09] <imacat> ericb2: does it exist now? May I forward this message to interested people?

[21:09] <ericb2> imacat: yes we do. Currently, we have 3 students from Belgien, 3+2 from France ... several from USA (they completed the application this week ) ... and so on

[21:09] <ericb2> imacat: you can

[21:09] <imacat> and the URL is? ^^; sorry

[21:09] <ericb2> imacat: the better is : one or two students, one prof as contact, and all from a given school

[21:10] <imacat> prof?

[21:10] <ericb2> imacat: we use to do that using IRC and mailing lists. The wiki contains some courses but we mostly work online, case by case

[21:10] <ericb2> imacat: professor

[21:10] <imacat> Oh. I see.

[21:10] <ericb2> imacat: e.g. at Ecole Centrale Nantes, there is a professor as contact, and two students will join

[21:11] <ericb2> imacat: Epitech Paris : one prof and three students

[21:11] <ericb2> imacat: and so on.

[21:11] <imacat> That's definitely a good news to forward to our local interested people.

[21:11] <ericb2> imacat: see : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/WelcomeStudents

[21:12] <imacat> And is there any plan when it will hold nex time?

[21:12] <ericb2> imacat: and if the students want to work with OOo (the real) code, no problem either

[21:12] <ericb2> imacat: we can start at any time

[21:13] <ericb2> imacat: there is no exact period, but the experiences shows that we can divide the year in three parts : september - december, january - june and june - september (the sommer)

[21:14] <imacat> How many students will you start the lesson at least?

[21:14] <ericb2> imacat: not too much in fact : two or three is perfect, but for something more generic, more can attend

[21:14] <imacat> Hmm... I see.

[21:15] <imacat> Thank you. That is really a great information. ^_*'

[21:15] <ericb2> imacat: the rule is : we ask the students to present their school, and to maintain wiki pages, regularly (very important) and be online as often as possible

[21:15] <imacat> present their school?

[21:15] <ericb2> imacat: the idea is to share our knowledge

[21:16] <ericb2> imacat: their university, or whatever where they are learning

[21:16] <imacat> Hmm...

[21:17] <ericb2> imacat: to avoid bad surprises : good students, learning computing science are often prefered, but we can train other people

[21:17] <imacat> You are doing far better jobs than we were expecting

[21:17] <ericb2> imacat: sorry ?

[21:17] <imacat> We were not expecting the Internship workshop. ^^; People here will like this~

[21:18] <Coolgeek> imacat: sure. ericb2 is doing a very good job :)

[21:18] <ericb2> imacat: this is not perfect, but when everybody does his part correctly, we all progress

[21:18] <ericb2> Coolgeek: thanks :)

[21:18] <imacat> Coolgeek: ya, that is what I mean ^_*'

[21:19] <ericb2> Other news about EducOOo International ?

[21:19] <imacat> ericb2: Can I ask a question?

[21:19] <ericb2> imacat: please go ahead

[21:20] <imacat> ericb2: There is a Tryneeds project here in Taiwan http://tryneeds.westart.tw/ in order to coordinate the translation resources.

[21:20] <imacat> ericb2: It is something like Transient

[21:21] <imacat> something like Transifex

[21:21] <ericb2> imacat: thanks. I'm not a specialist, but maybe deneb_alpha and olorin_ can answer, tell us more ?

[21:22] <imacat> ericb2: but it has a benefit that the administrator of Tryneeds had many college students join the translation work as part of the internship.

[21:22] <sylvaintechnic> ericb2: I got all the useful addresses

[21:22] <deneb_alpha> imacat, I don't know tryneeds

[21:23] <ericb2> imacat: from the developer point of view, this is no problem for me to see zh-TW and zh-CN translated on tryneeds and other locales using another tool

[21:23] <ericb2> sylvaintechnic: great :-)

[21:23] <ericb2> sylvaintechnic: thanks a lot !

[21:23] <sylvaintechnic> ericb2: you're welcome

[21:23] <imacat> ericb2: another benifit is that it can build a translation database of the terms in Traditional Chinese.

[21:24] <ericb2> imacat: that's why I explained you there is no problem on my side

[21:24] <imacat> ericb2: So I wonder if the translation of Traditional Chinese can work on Tryneeds instead of Transifex?

[21:24] <ericb2> imacat: the most difficult is the irst step ^^

[21:24] <ericb2> imacat: sorry, I dunno :/

[21:24] <imacat> ericb2: Oh.. OK. As long as we return the PO files?

[21:24] <ericb2> imacat: or even directly the .ddf files

[21:24] <ericb2> .sdf files sorry for the typo

[21:25] <imacat> ericb2: OK. That would be nice. ^_*'

[21:25] <imacat> ericb2: I would not like to have tool conflict to cause trouble.

[21:26] <ericb2> imacat: I perfectly understand

[21:26] <ericb2> imacat: our concern was: have several people confirming the translation is correct (I don't know chinese)

[21:26] <imacat> ericb2: So could there be a link in Transifex zh-tw page to Tryneeds once the data is ready?

[21:27] <imacat> ericb2: I shall be coordinate the work myself, as a reviewer.

[21:27] <imacat> ericb2: and several others are promised to help on translation.

[21:27] <ericb2> imacat: about Transifex, I need some times : I had an issue (upload files was not possible for me) and this will need to contact the Transifex admins .. work in progress

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[21:27] <ericb2> imacat: yes, we can start directly, and improve later

[21:28] <imacat> ericb2: Oh... Transifex is an on-line service? :p

[21:28] * sylvaintechnic (~sylvainte@81.49-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) has joined #ooo4Kids

[21:28] <ericb2> imacat: I think it can, but I need to ind the way to upload the right files first

[21:28] <deneb_alpha> ericb2, just a question... we'll use transifex or pootle?

[21:29] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: I don't know yet

[21:29] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: I believed transifex was easy to use, but at the end, I don't see

[21:29] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: that's probably my mistake, and I need to investigate

[21:30] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: from my side, I think I can provide .po files for every locale

[21:30] <wooz_> well.. just launch a community bar this week

[21:30] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: I got tools allowing to turn them into .sdf, and thats everything I need :)

[21:30] <wooz_> oups sorry.. late answer :-p

[21:31] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: but I understand the translator is not a geek

[21:31] <ericb2> sorry, I must stop 5 minutes (something urgent)

[21:31] <deneb_alpha> ok, see you later ericb2

[21:31] <ericb2> can someone continue the meeting with next point ?

[21:32] * ericb2 will ba back soon

[21:33] <wooz_> well..

[21:33] <gnome06> any other things about locales ?

[21:33] <wooz_> the wiki of educoo.org running now

[21:33] <wooz_> since last friday..

[21:34] <imacat> I think that's fine for me currently.

[21:34] <wooz_> http://wiki.educoo.org

[21:34] <imacat> woo_: and when will you add TW to the bottom bar? :p

[21:34] <gnome06> denen_alpha nothing else to add about locales ?

[21:34] <wooz_> imacat: yes of course

[21:34] <wooz_> educoo.tw ?

[21:35] <imacat> wooz_: is www.educoo.tw OK?

[21:35] <wooz_> imacat: of course

[21:35] <imacat> wooz_: and also I forgot the page to the code of the bottom bar. :p sorry. ^^;

[21:35] <deneb_alpha> gnome06, just a question about the last point on the agenda

[21:36] <wooz_> imacat: all is here: http://wiki.educoo.org/index.php/CommunityBar

[21:36] <gnome06> so next point of the agenda : debian

[21:37] <wooz_> the debian (native) port is nearly finished

[21:37] <gnome06> who can make a status point about the debian port as I have no informations ?

[21:37] <gnome06> tks wooz_

[21:37] <wooz_> kaze (studient) working hard on it

[21:37] <wooz_> with ericb2 and Coolgeek support ;-)

[21:37] <gnome06> debian port, mean also an Ubuntu depot later ?

[21:38] <deneb_alpha> is the port official?

[21:38] <wooz_> I think that's the stage is cleaning of the code

[21:38] <Coolgeek> wooz_: only ericb2 I don't have time and knowledge about that :p

[21:38] <wooz_> Coolgeek: you did a bit ;-)

[21:39] <Coolgeek> the debian port is to make a package with linux filesystems hierarchy

[21:39] <Coolgeek> (aka : not all in /opt)

[21:39] <Coolgeek> with that, maybe the ubuntu port will be easier to do in a cleanest way

[21:39] <Coolgeek> cleaner*

[21:39] <wooz_> yep and next step will be to provide an unique package (deb) + 1 locale package

[21:40] <Coolgeek> the port is not offical cause it's not fully finished yet

[21:40] <gnome06> coolgeek : tks for this informations

[21:40] <Coolgeek> so, good night all !

[21:41] <Coolgeek> I'm leaving you

[21:41] <gnome06> ok coolgeek tks

[21:41] * ericb2 back

[21:41] <ericb2> Coolgeek: thanks

[21:41] <wooz_> Coolgeek: gnight

[21:41] <gnome06> next step is "goodies"

[21:41] <wooz_> thx to joint us

[21:41] <imacat> Coolgeek: good night~

[21:41] <deneb_alpha> bye Coolgeek

[21:42] <gnome06> ericb2 : can you re-take the hand on the agenda please as i don't know what you mean by "goodies"

[21:42] <ericb2> gnome06: sure

[21:42] <gnome06> tks

[21:42] <deneb_alpha> ericb2, what's the problem with transifex upload?

[21:42] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: doesn't work. Maybe my fault, and I have to fix that

[21:42] <deneb_alpha> you can't upload files?

[21:43] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: looks like

[21:43] <ericb2> gnome06: back to goodies

[21:43] <imacat> goodies? :p

[21:44] <ericb2> last week (last meeting) it was question to sale goodies. e.g. FramaDVD Ecole, means a DVD containing the best free softwares

[21:44] <deneb_alpha> I see the button "create new resource". and you?

[21:44] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: I'll have a look asap

[21:45] <ericb2> This DVD is currenly french only, but could easily be translated

[21:45] <imacat> ericb2: so?

[21:45] <ericb2> and this could be a way for every localized educoo, to find some money. Not to become rich, but to loan a server and so on

[21:46] <ericb2> attend events

[21:46] <deneb_alpha> ok ericb2. how can we localize the DVD?

[21:46] <ericb2> (pay travel, accomodations is the most expensive)

[21:46] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: I had in mind to provide an english version (current is french)

[21:47] <imacat> yes, how can we localize the DVD?

[21:47] <ericb2> imacat: the people doing it is a friend of mine

[21:47] <deneb_alpha> ok, but can we use the educoo.org paypal?

[21:48] <deneb_alpha> if we receive money for the DVD how can we use them?

[21:48] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: I think you can use it directly

[21:49] <wooz_> deneb_alpha: +1

[21:49] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: you can even create an Italian npa .. and do what you want

[21:50] <deneb_alpha> an Italian paypal? but I don't know if we can accept donations

[21:51] <wooz_> deneb_alpha: well. I think that we can get the money for you .. if you need it

[21:51] <deneb_alpha> there's only an official association( legally recognized)

[21:51] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: we can acept the donations, and if you ask the donators to add a word, I'm sure we can reverse you ..

[21:52] <deneb_alpha> Yes, it seems possible.

[21:52] <wooz_> +1

[21:53] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: anyway, it's imho possibl to fund european people on demand. Just provide bills and so on

[21:53] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: this needs to be verified, but imho, EducOOo can do that for European people

[21:53] <deneb_alpha> ok ericb2

[21:54] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: good question though :)

[21:54] <deneb_alpha> ;)

[21:54] <wooz_> if you have other ideas for goodies.. you're welcome ;-)

[21:55] <deneb_alpha> what do you think about t-shirt?

[21:56] <sylvaintechnic> to see after : usb key, Keychain, stickers, shot tower ...

[21:56] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: sure. Ask Ben ( wooz_ ) for the materials

[21:56] <deneb_alpha> something like this: http://www.spreadshirt.fr/fr-fr/

[21:57] <deneb_alpha> ericb2: an online market could be nice!

[21:57] <wooz_> deneb_alpha: ok

[21:57] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: we thought to a booth some times ago, but that's not easy to manage. Volunteers are welcome :)

[21:58] <deneb_alpha> if wooz_ can help me I can try...

[21:58] <wooz_> deneb_alpha: +1

[21:58] <wooz_> ;-)

[21:58] <deneb_alpha> ;)

[21:59] <imacat> Sorry, pals. ^^; I'd got to sleep now. It's 5am here. ^^;

[21:59] <sylvaintechnic> +1

[21:59] <imacat> See you. ^^;

[21:59] <wooz_> imacat: ouch.. good night!!!

[21:59] <ericb2> Before people quit, the log will be available here : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Current_events /LogEducOOoInternationalCreation09December2010#Log

[21:59] <deneb_alpha> good night! :)

[21:59] <ericb2> imacat: bye, and thanks for attending :)

[21:59] <sylvaintechnic> thanks ericb2

[22:00] <imacat> ericb2: Thanks ^_*'

[22:00] <sylvaintechnic> thanks at all

[22:00] * imacat (~imacat@cotton.wov.idv.tw) has left #ooo4Kids

[22:00] <deneb_alpha> bye sylvaintechnic

[22:00] <gnome06> last point : "AdBard Network" ?

[22:00] <wooz_> sylvaintechnic: bye

[22:00] <wooz_> yep.. last point

[22:00] <gnome06> or it's too late for this item ?

[22:00] <sylvaintechnic> oups, i'm here ;)

[22:00] <deneb_alpha> I'm here...

[22:00] <deneb_alpha> I'm here...

[22:01] <deneb_alpha> AdBard point?

[22:01] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: please

[22:01] <wooz_> I don't know this stuff

[22:01] <wooz_> someone can introduce quickly?

[22:01] <deneb_alpha> adbard is an advertising network

[22:02] <deneb_alpha> something like

[22:02] <deneb_alpha> google ads

[22:02] <deneb_alpha> but they promote only FLOSS

[22:02] <deneb_alpha> and also the ads are selected

[22:02] <gnome06> ok but is it free ?

[22:03] <deneb_alpha> sure

[22:03] <deneb_alpha> we can visualize an ads on our websites

[22:03] <deneb_alpha> and they pay us

[22:03] <deneb_alpha> for clicks and visualizations

[22:03] <wooz_> hmm.. why not.. I've to see how it works to integrate the bar

[22:04] <deneb_alpha> wooz_:I'm using it

[22:04] <deneb_alpha> on my website

[22:04] <wooz_> deneb_alpha: oh

[22:04] <wooz_> url?

[22:04] <wooz_> educoo.it?

[22:04] <deneb_alpha> www.fsugitalia.org

[22:04] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: what have we to do to belong to this project/thing ?

[22:04] <gnome06> i propose to start with a test one of our site or on a locale pilot

[22:04] <wooz_> deneb_alpha: ok

[22:04] <wooz_> gnome06: +1

[22:04] <ericb2> the wiki.ooo4kids is a good candidate

[22:04] <deneb_alpha> wooz_ look on the right

[22:05] <wooz_> deneb_alpha: it's linked with a paypal account or?

[22:05] <deneb_alpha> sure

[22:05] <gnome06> we can try one month or 3 on wiki.ooo4kids.org and make a status to decide to keep it or not

[22:05] <sylvaintechnic> ok +1

[22:05] <wooz_> gnome06: +1

[22:05] <ericb2> yes, we can try +1 from me too

[22:06] <deneb_alpha> they pay us only when we reach 50USD

[22:06] <ericb2> 50 US$ == 5, 000 , 000 hits  ? :p

[22:06] * ericb2 hides

[22:07] <deneb_alpha> I tested the ads on wordpress and it works with the google_ads plugin

[22:07] <deneb_alpha> but I don't know with mediawiki

[22:08] <gnome06> oh well a plugin for wp ! Good point !

[22:08] <wooz_> deneb_alpha: I'll see for mediawiki

[22:09] <gnome06> so, if no more questions or subject, i propose to close this meeting.

[22:09] <ericb2> deneb_alpha: To summarize, we'll try  :)

[22:09] <sylvaintechnic> Wooz will find something ;)

[22:09] <deneb_alpha> wooz_: we must only register 1 site and then we can use the code into the others

[22:09] <wooz_> deneb_alpha: ok.. I understand

[22:09] <gnome06> Wooz always find :)

[22:09] <ericb2> Next meeting : next week, same day, same hour ( 20:00 UTC = 21:00 CET Paris, Hamburg)

[22:09] <deneb_alpha> :)

[22:09] <ericb2> ?

[22:10] <wooz_> ericb2: +1

[22:10] <sylvaintechnic> ok for me

[22:10] <gnome06> ericb2: +1 i think

[22:10] <deneb_alpha> maybe for me

[22:10] <deneb_alpha> maybe for me

[22:10] <deneb_alpha> (90% for me)

[22:11] <wooz_> bye all.. thanls for joining us :-p

[22:11] <ericb2> Ok, see you next week then !

[22:11] <ericb2> but the channel is open ^^

[22:11] <wooz_> and gn

[22:11] <gnome06> ok tks all for your contributions and participations