IRCMeetings/october2010/7th october

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Agenda:


 * A point on the first build
 * Status, application by application
 * Epitech dedicated wiki page
 * Misc

Attendees :

Alain Kong (nickname FlyingHat): student, Epitech Paris

Matthias Brunet (nickname kaze): student, Epitech Paris

Even De Boysson (nickname de-boy) : student, Epitech Paris

Eric Bachard (nickname ericb2), Mentor, EducOOo

Ben Bois (nickname wooz_), Designer, EducOOo

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[10:58] Meeting time ?

[10:58] ready

[10:58]  yes

[10:59] ok, let's start

[10:59] everything will be logged at http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/IRCMeetings/october2010/7th_october

[10:59] if someone wants to add apoint on the agenda, it's now

[11:00] Ok, then let's go

[11:01] Item 1 : point on the first build

[11:01] I'd suggest that everyone explains where he is, and so on

[11:01] ericb2: well, as Kaze explained i had some difficulties with my computer, i am now on OpenBSD and i just finished downloading the source

[11:02] dboy: OpenBSD .. ok, so I was confused, with FreeBSD

[11:02] dboy: I don't know whether the OOo port is finished on OpenBSD. We'll supose it is :)

[11:02] ericb2: i'm also currently writing my wiki page

[11:02] dboy: good

[11:03] * ericb2 will add a point:   the Epitech page

[11:03]  I wrote my wiki I just have to keep it up to date

[11:03] This is :  http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Applications/EpitechParis

[11:03] my virtual machine is ready, i will use it to make some tests about packaging

[11:03] ericb2: well i'll try to build it, and i'll keep the outcome on the wiki page

[11:04] dboy: yes

[11:04] dboy: do you have FreeBSD on another machine ?

[11:04] dboy: if so, you could build both in parallel. IMHO, this should be straight forward on FreeBSD

[11:05] He he : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Template:DEV_LEVEL

[11:05] thanks wooz_ :-)

[11:05] ericb2: no i don't have, but i can try installing it ;)

[11:06]  ericb2: ;-)

[11:06]  http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/User:Benbois/Sandbox2

[11:06] dboy: ok, then concentrate on OpenBSD firstly and try to progress.

[11:07] ericb2: ok

[11:07] dboy: the method is very simple: notice carefully, step by step, what you do, even something obvious, to be SURE, someone else can redo easely

[11:07] dboy: and maintain your diary on the wiki page

[11:08] dboy: imagine, for some reason (I don't wish you), you must stop. then someone else can continue for you

[11:08] ericb2: no problems

[11:08] =)

[11:08] dboy: so the OS is installed, and you checked the sources

[11:09] dboy: next important step will be configure

[11:09] ericb2: just today

[11:09] dboy: you can (imho) use the same configure command line as we use on Linux

[11:09] dboy: just care to --disable-cairo for the first try, and --disable-gtk

[11:10] dboy: the rest should follow

[11:11] ericb2: i'll write it down on the wii

[11:11] wiki*

[11:11] kaze: FlyingHat : and for you ?

[11:12] my virtual machine is ready, i will use it to make some tests about packaging

[11:12] kaze: can you tell me more

[11:12] kaze: what is your OS ?

[11:13]  ericb2: I wrote the wiki but i thought you told me to kind of summarize, so I tried not to put all the details (also because I don't remember every single thing) but at least it's done

[11:13] i run a Debian in a virtual machine, in order to make some test with packaging without damage my own syste,

[11:13]  ericb2: please take a look, and tell me if something's wrong or missing

[11:13] kaze: ah, yes, I understand : you need Debian

[11:13] kaze: but your OS is Mac OS X, right ?

[11:14] ericb2: no my new OS is Ubuntu 10.04, and i use a virtual machine with VirtualBox

[11:14] FlyingHat: I did, and you summarized too much. But this will be solved soon : more you notice, and more efficient you are. Just a question of time ;)

[11:14] kaze: arf. Why lose time with that ?

[11:14] ericb2: I installed Debian on the virtual machine

[11:15] kaze: ok, you probably have a good reason :)

[11:15] that's no problem with me after all

[11:15] kaze: did you complete the build ?

[11:15] ericb2: last time i test a debian package on my system, i made a mistake and i was forced to reinstall my OS

[11:16] kaze: I think it should be the same on Ubunut

[11:16] Ubuntu

[11:16] ericb2: yes but not in my virtual machine, i use snapshot

[11:17] i can restore it way more quickly on a vm

[11:17] kaze: you'll have to concentrate on the big diff

[11:18] kaze: because we need to identify all the changes between OOO320 and OOo4Kids

[11:18] kaze: where are you with that ?

[11:18] ericb2: the diff is done

[11:18] kaze: great

[11:18] kaze: is it online ?

[11:19] ericb2: you ask me to send it to you

[11:19] kaze: yes, I remember but what is its size ?

[11:19] ericb2: 40Mo

[11:20] kaze: maybe this will fill my mailbox

[11:20] kaze: is it possible to upload the file somewhere ?

[11:20] ericb2: i already send it, few days ago

[11:20] ericb2: don't you receive it ?

[11:21] kaze: free probably refused it

[11:21]  you can use some website like megaupload or http://omploader.org/

[11:21] i used megaupload

[11:21]  you can upload files up to 1GB

[11:22] ericb2: i will upload and send it again

[11:22] kaze: not by mail please

[11:22] kaze: use some Free service

[11:22]  kaze: use http://omploader.org/ :)

[11:22] Coolgeek: thanks :)

[11:23]  you can upload file with a script and it give back to you the URL :)

[11:24] done

[11:25] FlyingHat: remains your issue on Windows, right ?

[11:25] ericb2: How do i send you the link ?

[11:25]  ericb2: about the wiki, I wanted to catch up on the work as fast as possible, since the wiki seemed to be so important. I also wanted to start the diary as soon as possible and focus on the work.

[11:25]  and yep still stuck

[11:25]  I thought it was a right issue

[11:26] FlyingHat: as a workaround, try to copy the missing libs (the one the log complains) in the paths used at build time

[11:27]  so I tried yesterday before leaving, but I think I did something wrong out of haste

[11:27] FlyingHat: I don't know why those libs are not there though

[11:27]  hmm

[11:27]  it's windows :D

[11:27] FlyingHat: another reason could be: you installed student version of something ?

[11:28] <FlyingHat> ericb2: of what ?

[11:29] FlyingHat: no idea, but I remarked some tools are like that on windows. Pro : nothing is missing, Free : sometimes crappy, student : sometimes other missing parts

[11:29] FlyingHat: or a broken install can do that too

[11:30] FlyingHat: so, I'd suggest you to continue to search.

[11:30] <FlyingHat> I dont remember installing no student version of anything hmm

[11:31] FlyingHat: ask Abdelkader, maybe he will have more info ?

[11:31] <Coolgeek> FlyingHat: format and reinstall ?

[11:31] <FlyingHat> ericb2: I noticed this line #

[11:31] <FlyingHat> LINK : fatal error LNK1181: impossible d'ouvrir le fichier en entrée 'stlport_vc

[11:31] <FlyingHat> #

[11:31] <FlyingHat> 71.lib'

[11:31] <FlyingHat> AH sorry

[11:31] FlyingHat: and some libs are not found -> next lines

[11:32] FlyingHat: why .. this is the issue imho

[11:33] FlyingHat: can you work in parallel on a Linux box ?

[11:33] <FlyingHat> I thought this indicates the cause of the error

[11:33] <FlyingHat> what it that ?

[11:33] FlyingHat: if the linking fails, the libstlport_vc71.lib will never be created

[11:33] <FlyingHat> is*

[11:33] <Coolgeek> FlyingHat: maybe something is missing or crappy in the register database

[11:33] FlyingHat: the reason is : the other libs are not found

[11:33] <FlyingHat> alright

[11:35] <Coolgeek> FlyingHat: maybe you will waste less time bye formating and reinstall windows

[11:35] FlyingHat: grep your system ?

[11:36] To summarize :

[11:36] dboy: to start the build, and try to finish for the end of the week, if no problem occurs

[11:37] kaze: I'll analyze the diff

[11:37] FlyingHat: has to continue searching to reason of the breakage on windows, and solve the problem for the next meeting

[11:37] ok ?

[11:37] ericb2: how do i send it to you ? mail ?

[11:38] <Coolgeek> kaze: you can send the link by PM ou notice via IRC

[11:38] kaze: the diff is big -> uplpoad it somewhere, and I'll download it on my machine, for the analyze

[11:38] s/uplpoad/upload/

[11:38] ericb2: already upload

[11:38] <FlyingHat> well it's the HDD I bought at Epitech, and the partitions are made by them, I don't know if I should put my finger on anything (this HDD is messed up, like 17 partitions)

[11:39] <Coolgeek> O_o

[11:39] <Coolgeek> 17 partitions O_o

[11:39] <Coolgeek> bring your own :p

[11:39] FlyingHat: are you working for Macbidouille ?

[11:39] <FlyingHat> Coolgeek: I can't afford it :/

[11:40] FlyingHat: there is no hard disk available ?

[11:40] FlyingHat: if you buy one, send us the bill, and I'll ask EducOOo to fund it

[11:40] <FlyingHat> ericb2: ? I don't know what it is

[11:40] FlyingHat: how expensive is a new hard disk ?

[11:41] <Coolgeek> 40-50â¬ I think

[11:41] <Coolgeek> It depend on the size

[11:41] <FlyingHat> the 500gigs are around 40, yes.

[11:41] wooz_: are you ok EducOOo to help FlyingHat buying a new disk, say around 50 euros ?

[11:41] wooz_: I'll ask on the council, though, for a confirmation

[11:42] FlyingHat: if accepted, the only condition is to send me the bill, and I'll send you a check

[11:43] <FlyingHat> wow it's too much, I feel bad receiving funds for an open source work

[11:45] FlyingHat: this is EducOOo role to help

[11:45] FlyingHat: non profit association means no benefit

[11:46] FlyingHat: we don't do that to win money, but form something more important

[11:46]  s/form/for/

[11:46] FlyingHat: and remember: people donated the money

[11:47] FlyingHat: good thing if there is a new port at the end with your work :)

[11:47] <wooz_> ericb2: +1

[11:47] <wooz_> ericb2: no pb

[11:47] wooz_: thanks

[11:48] wooz_: I'll drop a mail to the admin list

[11:48] <wooz_> ericb2: ok

[11:48] Next point ?

[11:49]  Epitech dedicated wiki page

[11:50] Basicaly, a page maintained by students, to

[11:50] 1) present their school (some lines, one or two URLs, a logo, and some important information)

[11:51] 2) present their work, cleanly, and as a summary

[11:51] Epitech page is : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Applications/EpitechParis

[11:52] as you can see, this is just a draft, but I bet this will improve soon

[11:52] Any questions about the page ?

[11:53] ericb2: we are the one who have to write this page ?

[11:54] kaze: yes, the students, and ask Communication people of your school, Julien Ballet, and Pierre e.g.

[11:54] * fontste (~anonymous@ADijon-259-1-176-85.w90-39.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #ooo4Kids

[11:54] kaze: you can add your schools logo e.g.

[11:54] ericb2: ok

[11:54] * fontste has quit (Client Quit)

[11:55] kaze: every team will have to maintain its own page. Look the one the WSU students are writing

[11:55] kaze: every team will have to maintain its own page. Look the one the WSU students are writing

[11:56] Misc questions ?

[11:56] If so, I'd like to propose the next meeting date : next wednesday, same our, means Wednesday 14 October, 10:30 (CEST Paris)

[11:57] ericb2: i can't be here next wednesday

[11:58] kaze: ah, is thursday ok for all ?

[11:58] kaze: means thursday 15 October, 10h30

[11:58] on this channel

[11:58] ericb2: it's ok for us

[11:59] <FlyingHat> same

[11:59] * fontste (~anonymous@ADijon-259-1-176-85.w90-39.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #ooo4Kids

[12:00] So, next meeting is scheduled Thursday 15 October, 10h30, (CEST Paris)

[12:00] Other questions ?

[12:01] <FlyingHat> nope.

[12:01] no

[12:01] <FlyingHat> oh yes I do

[12:01] <FlyingHat> sorry

[12:02] ericb2: what can i do about that:

[12:02] * ericb2 has one

[12:02] ericb2: configure: error:  operating system is not suitable to build OpenOffice.org!

[12:02] <FlyingHat> on the wiki, is it good to post command lines or code lines ?

[12:02] dboy: it means OpenBSD is not recognized imho

[12:03] dboy: we'll continue after the meeting. Is it ok this afternoon ?

[12:03] <FlyingHat> okay.

[12:03] FlyingHat: I'll see with you too

[12:04] * ericb2 has one last question

[12:04] <FlyingHat> yes ?

[12:04] why do we never see anybody online the week end ?

[12:04] not all the time, but at least one hour on saturday, or sunday ?

[12:05] actually, we lose  several days every week

[12:05] that's not normal imho

[12:05] * ericb2 knows well how works the Epitech ;)

[12:06] ericb2: the lab is closed on week end

[12:06] kaze: and you miss a connexion at home ?

[12:06] kaze: nobody in the group got the net at home, living in Paris or around ?

[12:07] ok, was an open question

[12:07] Can we consider the meeting as over ?

[12:07] <FlyingHat> okay

[12:08] FlyingHat: dboy I'll work with you this afternoon

[12:08] dboy:  would you mind to send me the output of  "uname -a "  in a term ? thanks in advance :)

[12:08] <FlyingHat> and yes we do have a connection, the thing is I am almost never homeduring the weekend

[12:08] <FlyingHat> at home*

[12:09] ericb2: any idea on witch command line to add to configure ?

[12:10] ericb2: doesn't matter will see this afternoon

[12:11] dboy: you'll have to add everywhere, create new files, and new cases

[12:11] dboy: but imho, the changes already exist

[12:11] ok

[12:11] dboy: can you ask OpenBSD people whether the provide OOo ?

[12:12] dboy: if yes, try to retrieve the patches (I'm pretty sure they exist)

[12:13] ericb2: i'll check that, but after eating ^^

[12:14] * fontste has quit (Quit: fontste)

[12:14] dboy: ok

[12:15] <FlyingHat> okay, 'bon appetit' ericb2 :)

[12:15] Meeting over, the log is available at : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/IRCMeetings/october2010/7th_october

[12:15] thanks !