ImproveMathEquationEditor/IRCMeetings/May2010/20th May2010

This page is the IRC log of the 20th May 2010 IRC meeting ( #education.openoffice.org ) with students for Google SoC 2010.

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[17:42] ericb2: That's okay... see you...

[18:05] * Spiso (~chatzilla@stu405.sjc.ox.ac.uk) has joined #education.openoffice.org

[18:05] * ericb2 is back

[18:05]  great

[18:05] Spiso: hello

[18:05] meeting time ?

[18:05]  yes

[18:06]  hi

[18:08] Agenda will be short :

[18:08] IRC meeting 20th May

[18:08] 1. Commit access

[18:08] 2. A point about the work in progress

[18:08] 3. Misc

[18:08] Spiso: jopsen other point I forgot ?

[18:09] No, don't think so...

[18:09]  not that I know about

[18:09] 1 Coomit access

[18:09] what is the current state ?

[18:09]  I don't have one

[18:09]  as far as I know

[18:09] same here..

[18:10] ok, I'll ask Fridrich. Maybe cbosdonnat knows something ?

[18:11] I haven't really made any patches yet either... Or figured out exactly how to upgrade the ooo320-m15 folder..

[18:11] jopsen: Spiso anyway, I'll take care and provide you information asap

[18:11] jopsen: nothing changed in starmath, so, imho there is no need to upgrade

[18:11]  alright I could for start fix the two small bugs in arrange methods

[18:11] okay..

[18:11] is it all for point 1 ?

[18:12] I think so...

[18:12]  I think so, please give the information clearly when you'll be telling me about the commits

[18:12] 2. A point about the work in progress

[18:12] Spiso: sure.

[18:12] Spiso: this will be on the list anyway (I'll drop a mail tonight)

[18:13] now, I'd like to start with your respective logs

[18:13] Spiso: jopsen : can you please remind me the URL of your notes ?

[18:13] Haven't updated mine since last time... (sorry)

[18:13]  http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/User:MSpisiak#Improving_Math_Equation_Editor

[18:14]  see the Task clarification

[18:14]  there is what we've talked about yesterday

[18:14]  I have to update recent tasks appropriately

[18:14] Spiso: where did you write the date ?

[18:14] Current state: I've got a hang of how the current cursor worked... Removed synchronization from editor... and started moving the cursor... But it's not visiting every node yet...

[18:14]  what date?

[18:15] @all : what I'd like to see is a regular description of what you are doing

[18:15] Spiso: 18 May :  did that,  19 May : something else

[18:16] Spiso: what you do is not traceable

[18:16]  kind of a list on the site

[18:16] Okay... will remember to note stuff that isn't noteworthy :)

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[18:16] Spiso: jopsen : please note, for the next week : I want to see a description, day by day

[18:17]  well, I have my notes, but it isn't very readable

[18:17] Spiso: so I invite you to improve

[18:17] Spiso: do less, but better, and maintainable

[18:17]  jopsen julien__BLUG JZA

[18:17] jopsen: Spiso  ok ?

[18:17]  alright I see what you mean

[18:17] (Won't be working on go-oo every day, but will improve on the note taking)

[18:17] jopsen: yes please

[18:18] That said, I'm waiting for what you want to say

[18:18] <Spiso> I've been doing the trace for the function which calculates the position today

[18:18] <Spiso> but it's so messy

[18:18] <Spiso> it goes to the Writer code

[18:18] <Spiso> rather then Sm code

[18:19] <Spiso> you said you had a look at it in the past

[18:19] Spiso: indeed

[18:19] I'm been messing around with caret position representation, which I'm not settled on yet... And tried to make recursive methods so that I can select any nodes in a tree using keyboard...

[18:19] <Spiso> did you find something?

[18:19] Spiso: and I did the same discovery : Writer is probably not completely white in the story

[18:20] <Spiso> like some function that takes care of it

[18:20] <Spiso> or object or whatever

[18:20] jopsen: did you take some notes:  what you did a day, what is scheduled ...

[18:20] jopsen: some results, ideas ... ?

[18:21] <Spiso> I'm afraid that it might be the case, that it is default to any object in writer that it's position is set to be the middle of the line

[18:21] <Spiso> when aligned as character

[18:21] <Spiso> which would be really hard to redefine

[18:21] ericb2: No not really, didn't get it to the point I wanted... But will remember to note stuff...

[18:22] jopsen: even if what you do fails : keep a trace

[18:22] please

[18:22] jopsen: this is helpfull for the other

[18:22] okay.

[18:22] jopsen: really

[18:22] <Spiso> ericb2: what do you think of it?

[18:23] Spiso: I think the same : we have to investigate on Writer

[18:23] Spiso: no, I got some info for you

[18:23] Spiso: I discussed with Mathias Bauer (Sun-Oracle) who investigated a lot on the problem last year

[18:24] Spiso: and if we can formulate the problem corectly, I think we could invite him, to know more

[18:24] Spiso: I mean describe the problem coming from writer

[18:24] <Spiso> invite him, to know more?

[18:24] <Spiso> you mean like tell him about it

[18:24] <Spiso> and he might tell us that what he thinks of it?

[18:25] Spiso: he's a specialist of Writer and framework. no idea when he'll be available though

[18:25] <Spiso> uhm

[18:25] Spiso: no, we'll start to define a strategy, and we'll hear his opinion

[18:26] <Spiso> okay so for now, I should try to find out what is calculating the position

[18:26] Spiso: to know more, I think you could build sw with symbols, and search in the stack until you see something intersting

[18:27]  Spiso : and for the next week, I think this will be enough  1) present your work as expected 2) concentrate on that

[18:27] <Spiso> the build might cause problems, but yeah I'll go for it

[18:28] <Spiso> if you click on the object you can set the alignment in writer

[18:28] <Spiso> but the initiall alignment doesn't seam to be any of them

[18:28] Spiso: I'd like to read something I can follow. No need to present it like a conference, even a draft, will be enough. But please: dates, objectives, results, code samples and so on.

[18:28] Spiso: this is informative : please add that in your note

[18:29] notes

[18:29] jopsen: I got a list of whishes from Math professors

[18:29] <Spiso> does the list concerns me also?

[18:29] ericb2: I'm listing...

[18:30] Spiso: I'll add the list on the wiki asap

[18:30] ericb2, what were you talking about that I might know?

[18:30] jopsen: this is a private mail

[18:30] <Spiso> :)

[18:30] cbosdonnat: Hello Cedric .we'd like to know how the students will obtain commit rights

[18:31] cbosdonnat: fd.o I think, or maybe something else is scheduled ?

[18:31] ericb2: sound great... I'll take a look at the wiki later...

[18:32] jopsen: great. I thik I'll report that tonight

[18:32] jopsen: but please : explain what you do, where in the code (e.g. a file name helps), what worked, what you found, what was not successfull, your tries .. and so on

[18:33] <Spiso> which wiki are you going to post it on?

[18:33] jopsen: and log that. Thus we can follow you

[18:33] Spiso: http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ImproveMathEquationEditor/

[18:33] ericb2: yes, will do that...

[18:33] * fardad has quit

[18:34] Spiso: once we'll reach a milestone (some robust results), we could present better

[18:34] ericb2, the idea was to ask for the commit rights once a first version of the patch will be provided

[18:34] ericb2, hopefuly fd.o admin tasks can go more quickly these days ;)

[18:35] cbosdonnat: ah ok :)

[18:38] <Spiso> are we done?

[18:38] 3. Misc questions ?

[18:39] Hmm... not much, unless anybody would happen to know how to enable assertions

[18:40] I've read on wiki.services.openoffice.org that -enable-dbgutil as argument to ./configure would do...

[18:40] jopsen: thre is a flag to pass at build time

[18:40] jopsen: the full build must be done including assertions yes

[18:40]  jopsen julien__BLUG JZA

[18:41] jopsen:  s/build time/configure time/

[18:41] sorry

[18:41] okay... Well... I guess I know what I'll be doing to night... :)

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[18:42] <Spiso> jopsen: how did you install the beaverdbg?

[18:42] <Spiso> jopsen: did you build it on your own?

[18:42] there's a PPA

[18:42] Spiso: https://launchpad.net/~sargentd/+archive/beaverdbg

[18:43] <Spiso> jopsen: oh well, thanks

[18:43] Spiso: did you progress with your NULL pointer ?

[18:44] <Spiso> ericb2: no, I gave up on it, I didn't know how to deal with it

[18:44] <Spiso> ericb2: I don't know how to make any of the graphic debuggers work

[18:45] Spiso: I'd invite you to not give up, and try to search until an issue is solved. Difficilties are very common in debug mode you know

[18:45] <Spiso> ericb2: and now I need to compare lots of values again to find out where in that mess is the difference which calculates the position, so I really want the graphical one

[18:46] Spiso: for that you need a plan

[18:46] Spiso: not a draft in your head ;-)

[18:46] <Spiso> ericb2: but it's just not worth spending time on, unless there is some other way to work

[18:47] <Spiso> ericb2: but it's just not worth spending time on, PROVIDING there is some other way to work

[18:47] <Spiso> my english is getting just worse every day I spend in england

[18:48] Spiso: mine is terrible (you certainly remarked ;)  my suggestion is : no hurry, take the time to think, log everything.

[18:49] Next meeting: same day, same hour ?

[18:49] <Spiso> I just don't like spending time fixing debuggers and building stuff, instead of coding

[18:49] <Spiso> yep

[18:49] <Spiso> I'm alright with it

[18:50] sure...

[18:50] and same place :)

[18:50] jopsen:  :)

[18:50] The log of the current meeting is  : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ImproveMathEquationEditor/IRCMeetings/May2010/20th_May2010